If you have an article in your magazine explaining that you're not in a cult... You're in a cult.
Captain Obvious
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JWs and the idea of a cult
by dabster inas i've been chatting with a jw neighbour he has said, "heck, some people think we are a cult!
" and scoffs at very idea.
how ludicrous (he thinks)!
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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement
by TTATTelder inthe gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.
you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?
well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.
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Captain Obvious
TTATT elder... They asked how much each could reasonably afford each month? What about those of us who could reasonably afford to carry the whole hall every month? What if it were taken the wrong way?
The elder giving the local needs last night was very sheepish, red faced. Eventually he just said he would step off the stage before he was asked more questions he couldn't answer.
Immediately after the meeting was over I tossed the slip in the garbage by the door. Left it right on top, in plain view.
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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt
by QC inif you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.
this is a game changer.
the bomb!.
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Is it true that the GB is soon planning on ditching the 1914 doctrine?
by yogosans14 inor atleast tweaking it again... apparently there has been rumors of this coming out of bethel.
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Captain Obvious
Well they just mentioned it in a WT article a few weeks ago so can't be anytime soon. When they drop a big one like that they just ignore it for a while then announce the 'greater clarifications' later.
What could we speculate could be the replacement?
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Abraham Still Considered part of Great Crowd? Not being found worthy of Everlasting Life?
by objectivetruth indoes anyone know of a wt or wt book, that states abraham will be tested again and then judged based on his deeds during the millenium?.
essentiallly claiming that, after god testing abraham, with the sacrifice of isaac, he will tell him that he has to pass the same test that the resurrcted unrighteous have to pass.
i know that this is a teaching that is required by holding to the 2 class belief, but i haven't found any artocles on it.. any ideas?.
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Captain Obvious
I wonder how they explain Matt 8:11?
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
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Materialists, Jehovah's Witnesses & Biblical Christianity
by Perry inmaterialist.
jehovahs witness.
biblical christian.
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Captain Obvious
Lisa, they are more ambiguous than that about the age of the universe. Regardless of what the mags say or don't say, find me a JW under 70 who honestly struggles with the thought of dinosaurs being alive hundreds of millions of years ago. Claim among a group of JWs that the universe is 13.72 billion years old, none will bat an eye. They even will talk about the Big Bang, as long as someone mentions that Gawd dun it.
In recent mags they even pointed out how silly young-earth creationism is.
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What Do I Do With This RED Book?
by Cold Steel insome guys visited me a couple of times, and i asked them about the book of revelation.
one of them brought me a red book with a lot of illustrations and at the end of every page or so the guy had dated the day he had read it.
he also marked certain passages.
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Captain Obvious
Buddy you don't need to draw pentagrams in it, just flip through it. Plenty of creepy stuff all the way through! Look closely at the more detailed pictures. Keep in mind these were painted by hand, by very skilled painters. What you see aren't mistakes. There's a few threads floating on this board from a long time ago talking about these.
Also, that book is chock full of golden JW stumpers. Only the most skilled and knowledgeable JW could sit through a whole weekly study in that book without being completely lost. Even against the most scholarly JW, in a discussion you could have him dancing around making excuses or being confused with some carefully chosen questions about that book.
Id say keep it, with a page of notes in the front of it in case you get a chance for a sit down with a JW in your house.
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Any Suggestions on what to say if elders ask why you stopped going in FS?
by BU2B ini was curious what might be some good things to say if i am questioned by the elduurs about my decline in fs.
anything too honest may get me a jc (although that would be for the best in the end..) the co visit is this week so they may be getting more agressive than usual.
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Captain Obvious
Wow I like that. "Because I don't want to." Simple, to the point.
I also like the advice to NEVER let them get you on the defensive. Always keep the upper hand and control the conversation. Elders can't handle that.
Good thread!
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OK..Seriously..Has GOD ever answered your prayers????
by DATA-DOG inlook...i am not an atheist.
even so, i have never had one prayer answered my entire life.
the only thing that would even come close was learning ttatt.
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Captain Obvious
So Enlightenment123, what credit does the doctor deserve who ACTUALLY cured you? What does the source of the contact info for the doctor deserve? Could you possibly have met with this doctor without having made this decision to let god handle things? And why did god let you get ill in the first place? If he made everything, he made your disease too.
In answer to the OP, no. I could never bring myself to be so selfish that I would want him to take time for me when there are literally billions of people suffering far worse than anything in my life possibly could be. Even as a JW child I never thought that was right. I only thanked him before dinner for the food my mom bought from the store, prepared and cooked.
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Any Suggestions on what to say if elders ask why you stopped going in FS?
by BU2B ini was curious what might be some good things to say if i am questioned by the elduurs about my decline in fs.
anything too honest may get me a jc (although that would be for the best in the end..) the co visit is this week so they may be getting more agressive than usual.
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Captain Obvious
Yeah just be very vague and non-committal. Don't get aggressive but stand your ground. Make no apologies, and don't act like your life is anything other than the best it has ever been. When I quit service, I was only regularly putting in 1-3 hrs, 0 everything else. Zero comments and the meetings, no "privileges". After 3 months 2 elders from my FS group came by.
I didn't say anything about why, just said I didn't like going out anymore. When asked why, just pull a Jesus and answer a question with a question. "Is it voluntary, or compulsory?"
Let them go through their guilt, fear and obligation routine (GFO), smile and nod. Thank them for their time and interest, you have their numbers when you need them. Decline all invitations to come out with them. Feed them some coffee and muffins, talk about the NHL and send them on their way. I haven't heard a peep since, and that was November 2012. Now on the group list it just has my wife's name, I'm not included at all.
Also, conviently they will likely stop giving you talks and any other privileges since you aren't exemplary. But seriously, dude, you NEED to drop those hours if you want to stop going out altogether. Don't make it such a surprise! Zero mags, zero everything except for a token hour or two until you are ready for the big donut.
